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and john boehner both talking fiscal cliff. are they talking to each other? is anyone in washington talking to each other? our panel is here to talk about that next. >> one of our favorite videos of the year. back of the police car. he's back. you have to see what he has done now. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for ily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed back
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cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> months ago, the budget carney held up was voted down by the entire senate. 99-0. meaning no democratic support. earlier, dick durbin insisted spending cuts from entitlement reform will not be part of the talks while pelosi spell noncommittal whether the cuts will be in the deal. still, the administration is trying to breathe life to the talks, with vice president biden shopping at new costco in washington, picking up a big screen tv and apple pie and insisting he is optimistic of a deal. >> i am. i am. all the folks in the store, man. going to make a difference. >> carney shot down a politico report that a phone call last night between boehner and the president was curt, noting it was 28 minutes long and productive. signaling the president is flexible on taxes not being s
cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> months ago, the budget carney held up was voted down by the entire senate. 99-0. meaning no democratic support. earlier, dick durbin insisted spending cuts from entitlement reform will not be part of the talks while pelosi...
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you talk about the greek fiscal cliff. we have our own and people here say we could be the next greece. how does that make you feel when you hear that kind of talk from american politicians, american business people, american citizens? >> extremely worrisome because you represent 25% of the global economy whereas greece, which wasn't the cause of the european crisis, only represents 2% of the european gdp. so if you guys were to actually have such deep problems, then it would mean problems for everyone globally and no one would want that. i'm sure that you'll be able to find the right solution by the end of december. >> let us hope. mr. michalos, thank you very much. sue? >>> thank you, ty. two big winners in that $587 million record powerball lottery. but how much do you really need to earn to make you happy? the answer may surprise you. >>> and before you fill up your tank with gas, listen up. aaa is warning regulators to stop sales of a certain type of fuel at the pump because it could damage your car and void your car
you talk about the greek fiscal cliff. we have our own and people here say we could be the next greece. how does that make you feel when you hear that kind of talk from american politicians, american business people, american citizens? >> extremely worrisome because you represent 25% of the global economy whereas greece, which wasn't the cause of the european crisis, only represents 2% of the european gdp. so if you guys were to actually have such deep problems, then it would mean...
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cliff talks. do you think anyone is serious about that? >> well, there needs to be. medicare is the largest growth in expenditure in the federal budget. if we don't reform the way that we pay of medicare it's going to be one of the things that breaks the bank and makes us unable to meet our obligations, so we absolutely have to reform it. the legislation that i wrote back in 2010 that we passed a bipartisan support and signed by the president went after something that everything to everybody is against. gerri: let's get to that in the second. i just want to spend one more second of this idea. the senator from illinois saying on tv that he would like to see 400 billion entitlement cuts, the vast majority of the savings, all of it coming from medicare. is that the right amount? more, less? >> its plan to have to be more overtime. at least the democrats are talking about something. the fastest-growing part of the budget. 85 percent of the federal budget is medicare, medicaid, social security defense
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. >> reporter: fiscal cliff talks have hit a stalemate only 29 days to go, republicans and democrats remain far apart over the weekend there was worry negotiations might fail. >> i think we are going over the cliff, it is clear they've made a political calculation. >> reporter: president obama and his team are demanding that congress allow bush era tax cuts to expire. >> there is no responsible way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations those rates have to go up. >> reporter: republicans have drawn a line in the sand on raising tax rates signaling they are open to raising revenue by reforming the tax code and limiting reductions for the wealthy. >> right now i would say we are nowhere. >> reporter: president obama asking for 1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over 10 years, boehner is offering half that. the president offering 600 billion dollars in cuts to medicare and other programs. the speaker says that is not enough. he hasn't outlined what he thinks should be cut. if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff, january 1st, nearly every american will
. >> reporter: fiscal cliff talks have hit a stalemate only 29 days to go, republicans and democrats remain far apart over the weekend there was worry negotiations might fail. >> i think we are going over the cliff, it is clear they've made a political calculation. >> reporter: president obama and his team are demanding that congress allow bush era tax cuts to expire. >> there is no responsible way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future...
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next, how cherry's could be the latest victim in the fiscal cliff talks. the president of the united way joins me next. gerri: coming up, the war over charitable deductions. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white house with the president. white house officials pleading there case. i can't imagine having to better guess for this segment. i want to start with this idea because it kind of blew me away when i saw. a major beneficiary for the charitable deddction, the %-i thought what about that charities and all the people who do -- to rely on them for there good work. let's star
next, how cherry's could be the latest victim in the fiscal cliff talks. the president of the united way joins me next. gerri: coming up, the war over charitable deductions. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent...
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words from john bain other as we get react on fiscal cliff talks that exploded in the open. saying that it reads like a democratic wish-list and could plunge the economy back into recession. oh joy. welcome here. i'm bill hemmer. live in "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, bill. bill: we'll find the silver lining in this, aren't we? martha: we are. bill: that is our quest. martha: i'm martha maccallum. here are the basics when they put forth through tim geithner yesterday from the president. 1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is the opening part of the deal. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. we already had a lot of backlash in stimulus in previous packages. this is interesting element here. new executive power to raise the debt limit. that is what caused so many of these discussions because they bump up against the debt limit and not be able to go back this. there is executive power plea to be able to do that without going back to confess. republicans are saying where is the balance? where is the spending cut side of the equation. the president said he wanted it to
words from john bain other as we get react on fiscal cliff talks that exploded in the open. saying that it reads like a democratic wish-list and could plunge the economy back into recession. oh joy. welcome here. i'm bill hemmer. live in "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, bill. bill: we'll find the silver lining in this, aren't we? martha: we are. bill: that is our quest. martha: i'm martha maccallum. here are the basics when they put forth through tim geithner yesterday...
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so if they lost this first round to fiscal cliff talks they can say we want this and this. so what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting squishy and what's happened over the succession of weeks since then, as he's meeting with the caucus, there's a hardening. in terms of -- >> or a disbelief -- a disbelief -- >> comes out and says stuff like that, you read some of the local papers, these people rshs it. >> are telling their local paper we're in a bad negotiation position here. >> the problem is, had he's probably a guy that's going to -- boehner will still be dealing with after jan
so if they lost this first round to fiscal cliff talks they can say we want this and this. so what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is...
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>> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a brunch of different things in it, but the main thing that will be close to 1% of u.s. gdp is the expiring of the payroll tax cut. both sides of the aisle agree on that. it will fall disproceportiona a on middle income households. >> and instead of the bush tax cuts for exampl
>> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment...
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the republican nightmare is there is a stand off they go over the fiscal cliff, after all the tax rates go up and the president, of course, proposals to lowerren's -- lower everyone's taxes but the highest and if the republicans resist he will say the republicans are talking you from getting a middle-class tax cuts because they want to recollect their millionaire friends. if republicans are going to agree to higher tax rates for the highest bracket, do it quickly, and, then, president obama would be the one who is refusing it because he is throwing in all sorts of extra things like total executive branch control of the debt limit. >>neil: who came up with the $50 billion in new surplus spending in the middle of this? come on! >>guest: the question, it is an interesting offer, kind of an office that the president gave yesterday which was call it disrespectful, a disrespectful offer and the question is, are republicans going to take it personally and get mad about it? or will they say, well, this is the early stage. we are standing around and snorting and we will get down to serious stuff
the republican nightmare is there is a stand off they go over the fiscal cliff, after all the tax rates go up and the president, of course, proposals to lowerren's -- lower everyone's taxes but the highest and if the republicans resist he will say the republicans are talking you from getting a middle-class tax cuts because they want to recollect their millionaire friends. if republicans are going to agree to higher tax rates for the highest bracket, do it quickly, and, then, president obama...
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how the fiscal cliff will impact their businesses. that's later on in "the closing bell." stay with us. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. >>> welcome back. the fight over the fiscal cliff heating up with both parties accusing the other of failing to offer substantial plans. >> to this point, that's right. without a deal, automatic spending cuts and higher taxes will kick in january 1st. that's something our next guest wants to avoid. we welcome back democratic congressman charlie rangel of new york. good to see you. welcome back. >> good to be back. >> we're at that awkward part of th
how the fiscal cliff will impact their businesses. that's later on in "the closing bell." stay with us. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to...
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cliff. >> speaker boehner says no progress has been made in the fiscal cliff talks with the president with just about three weeks left before the deadline. we'll check in with political editor mark murray. first, lawyers for george zimmerman have filed a lawsuit against nbc universal for its coverage of the february 26th, 2012 shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, florida. it alleges defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. in a statement the parent company said, quote, we strongly disagree with the accusations made in the complaint. there was no intent to portray mr. zimmerman unfairly. we intend to vigorously defend our position in court. we'll be right back. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affected and to
cliff. >> speaker boehner says no progress has been made in the fiscal cliff talks with the president with just about three weeks left before the deadline. we'll check in with political editor mark murray. first, lawyers for george zimmerman have filed a lawsuit against nbc universal for its coverage of the february 26th, 2012 shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, florida. it alleges defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. in a statement the parent company...
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this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithne
this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the...
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we are talking about so-called fiscal cliff issues. today we are looking at the payroll tax cut issue. this will be coming up in just a moment with kim dixon of reuters. here is an update from c-span radio. >> tim geithner and rob neighbors are meeting at the capitol with how to avoid tax increases and spending cuts. stock futures are up on the expectation that progress will be made towards reaching a fiscal agreement. dow features are up over 60 points. lord justice levenson is about to release his report into a phone hacking. the investigation lasted 12 months. the report will make recommendations on future press regulations and is expected to criticize politicians and police. david cameron will be making a statement in response to the report. c-span is covering these events. jay rockefeller is weighing in on this investigation saying that he hoped the report would contain to clear the air and hold the media organizations involved accountable for their deplorable conduct. "i understand the main goal is to make policy recommendations.
we are talking about so-called fiscal cliff issues. today we are looking at the payroll tax cut issue. this will be coming up in just a moment with kim dixon of reuters. here is an update from c-span radio. >> tim geithner and rob neighbors are meeting at the capitol with how to avoid tax increases and spending cuts. stock futures are up on the expectation that progress will be made towards reaching a fiscal agreement. dow features are up over 60 points. lord justice levenson is about to...
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president obama talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end of the bush tax cuts on those earning more than two and a $50,000. ed -- more than $250,000. ["hail to the chief" plays] please have a seat. have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. it is good to be right here. i want to thank michael, robert, and the investor, joel glickman for hosting me today and giving me a great tour. stand up so everybody can see you, guys. [cheers and applause] there you go. we have a couple of outstanding members of congress here. [cheers and applause] now, i just finished getting a tour of the workshop. i have to say it makes me wish that joel invented this stuff sooner when i was a kid. back then, you couldn't build a roller coaster out of your erector set. i got a chance to meet some of the folks who have been working around the clock to keep up with the christmas rush. that is a good thing. these guys are santa's extra elves. they manufacture almost 3000 pieces every minute. every box that ends up on store she
president obama talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end of the bush tax cuts on those earning more than two and a $50,000. ed -- more than $250,000. ["hail to the chief" plays] please have a seat. have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. it is good to be right here. i want to thank michael, robert, and the investor, joel glickman for hosting me today and giving me a great tour. stand up so...
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but a good session on the back of that optimism for fiscal cliff talk. all except this glaring spot of red. shanghai composite finishing lower for yet another session. it keeps falling further and further. doesn't seem that there is anything that policymakers or investors can do to lift sentiment in this market. different story in the hang seng, rebounding up about 1%. so a tale of two very different markets. hang seng up nearly 20 percent year to date. if you're playing china in both markets, very, very different views. the kospi is up 1.2%. asx 200 up 0.7%. major miners in focus. bhp and ceo coming out with comments that we'll talk about later. we have the japanese market continuing their rally. it's been quite the rally over the last few week. topex you might want to watch. goldman sachs year's target up by some 8%. there is still up side of about 20%. you could see some gains if they are correct. but the knee he kay 225 recouping losses from yesterday to continue on that rally. up 1%. sharp was in focus today on talks that they may be signing some in
but a good session on the back of that optimism for fiscal cliff talk. all except this glaring spot of red. shanghai composite finishing lower for yet another session. it keeps falling further and further. doesn't seem that there is anything that policymakers or investors can do to lift sentiment in this market. different story in the hang seng, rebounding up about 1%. so a tale of two very different markets. hang seng up nearly 20 percent year to date. if you're playing china in both markets,...
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>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal reserve is drunk. while back the fed is distorting the bond work it. dagen: does it make sense that the fed is likely to continue the bond buying into the next year? does that make any sense on the planet? >> well, look, i thought qe1 was absolutely essential. qe2 i understood why we did it. qe3, i do not get it. i think the fed is making a mistake here. they could have achieved the same or even a better objective by following a different policy. this is the path we are on. doctor bernanke is obviously completely preoccupied with the risks of having a depression and he is throwing as much mon
>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal...
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your thoughts about the fiscal cliff and talks being at a stalemate. caller: i am a democrat, and i did vote for obama. --i am not for raising taxes. i am not for running on an unbalanced budget. those are the things i speak for, not what other people in the democratic party say we spoke for. that is not what i said. that is not what i voted for. i voted for a balanced budget. host: how do you go about balancing the budget? let's take a look at this headline in the wall street journal. "republicans take aim at entitlements." caller: everything to me, it seeks an even level. since we are working now into will recall the world economy, i do not know how much that other countries have. if we are ahead of everybody else in debt for our population, then we are probably in trouble. if other people have a greater debt, it will all wash out when they pay us, we pay somebody else, they pay somebody else. it all evens out. host: we are going to leave it there. we want to let our viewers and listeners know that coming up we will discuss the mortgage debt relief a
your thoughts about the fiscal cliff and talks being at a stalemate. caller: i am a democrat, and i did vote for obama. --i am not for raising taxes. i am not for running on an unbalanced budget. those are the things i speak for, not what other people in the democratic party say we spoke for. that is not what i said. that is not what i voted for. i voted for a balanced budget. host: how do you go about balancing the budget? let's take a look at this headline in the wall street journal....
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we talk about the fiscal cliff when the fox all-stars join me next. there is no mass-produced human. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. around a bed with dualair technology that allows you to adjust to the support your body needs - each of your bodies. our sleep professionals will help you find your sleep number setting. exclusively at a sleep number store. sleep number. comfort individualized. this holiday season, give the gift that's magical: the innovative airfit adjustable pillow at special 30% savings. >>> to be clear, i am in the going sign any package that presents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done. >> what the president really interested in, as we learn just yesterday, is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small business, that he believes are making too much money. then on everybody else. not to lower the debt or the deficit but so he can spend until his heart is content. >> well, the president and the
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a lot of talk about recession, particularly if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. what's your take on economic landscape in the next year? >> i think there are mixed signs out there. there is great apprehension in small business and in business at large with the prospects of tax increases or dramatic spending cuts that might trigger triggered. i think there's great anxiety. when there's anxiety, people generally don't spend money. the concern is well founded. >> and my thanks to john wattson. >>> political posturing on the fiscal cliff from leading republicans and democrats alike. >> i remain hopeful that productive conversations can be had in the days ahead. but the white house has to get serious. >> we have made our proposal. let them come forward with something. >> find out what senate majority leader harry reid's nevada constituents are saying about his performance. >>> also, is it time for the u.s. to join the ranks and put $1 billis to rest in favor of a $1 coin? believe it or not, people feel passionate about this issue. our heated debate is coming next. sta
a lot of talk about recession, particularly if we were to go off the fiscal cliff. what's your take on economic landscape in the next year? >> i think there are mixed signs out there. there is great apprehension in small business and in business at large with the prospects of tax increases or dramatic spending cuts that might trigger triggered. i think there's great anxiety. when there's anxiety, people generally don't spend money. the concern is well founded. >> and my thanks to...
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fiscal cliff talks set to drag ons as budget proposal by republicans dismissed by the white house. banking union talks taking central stage in brussels. finance ministers trying to find a deal. and australia central bank has cut interest rates to its lowest level since the financial crisis. how? cdw and hp networking implemented a virtual application network that reduces the time to deploy cloud applications from months to minutes. with fewer bottlenecks like this. finally. charles! client golf. aim for the lake. really? can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. . >>> jpmorgan says mr. bieber is welcome to play ping-pong anytime. and if you're looking for the city with the best quality of living in the world, then what you need to do is go to vienna. this according to mercer. just published its quality of life survey as zurich landed the number two spot. baghdad ranked last because of security and political inst
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about the fiscal cliff? well, i know that's important. mr. speaker, it is time for congress to realize that we are having young men and women to die in afghanistan for a failed policy that will not change one thing. mr. speaker, before closing, i make reference to this poster of a young american in a casket being carried by his colleagues to be buried. please, american people, put pressure on congress to bring our troops home now and not wait until december, 2014. i ask god to please bless our men and women in uniform, to please bless the loved ones who lost those in iraq and afghanistan. please, god, help get our troops home now and not later. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the chair recognizing the gentleman from oregon, mr. blumenauer, for five minutes. mr. blumenauer: mr. speaker, mitt romney weathered a storm of criticism late in the campaign after hurricane sandy for his earlier comments about privatizing fema and turning responsibility back to state and local governments. but during an era of
about the fiscal cliff? well, i know that's important. mr. speaker, it is time for congress to realize that we are having young men and women to die in afghanistan for a failed policy that will not change one thing. mr. speaker, before closing, i make reference to this poster of a young american in a casket being carried by his colleagues to be buried. please, american people, put pressure on congress to bring our troops home now and not wait until december, 2014. i ask god to please bless our...
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world would arrive if we went over the fiscal cliff, people in the market basically his surely they can't be that done. they're assuming it's going to get done. >> i think the markets are saying -- it's balanced 50/50. my personal opinion is it's a higher chance it won't happen. just as bill clinton managed to pin the blame for the government shutdown on newt gingrich and put the republicans in retreat, in terms of card playing, president obama has some cards that he can basically lay this off and perhaps it will fall to the blame -- fall on the republicans. that's why we think it could drift over the cliff. >> we'll see. i know you've been a champion of apple all year. we're going to ask you on the countdown if you'd still buy apple at these lower levels. that's still to come later. thank you, my friend. before we go to commercial here, some sad news for the business world and our family here at cnbc. saul steinberg, the father of our maria bartiromo, died earlier today at the age of 73. he was best known for launching a string of takeovers back in the 1980s. he was also an avid ar
world would arrive if we went over the fiscal cliff, people in the market basically his surely they can't be that done. they're assuming it's going to get done. >> i think the markets are saying -- it's balanced 50/50. my personal opinion is it's a higher chance it won't happen. just as bill clinton managed to pin the blame for the government shutdown on newt gingrich and put the republicans in retreat, in terms of card playing, president obama has some cards that he can basically lay...
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to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president plans to deliver remarks and answer questions during a meeting of a business roundtable. critics say the president will call on business leaders to press lawmakers about raising the debt ceiling. while that is happening we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner any moment right now on the hill for the latest on what's happening on fiscal matters. martha? martha: meanwhile, there are new evacuations that have been ordered in a community where a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed nearly a week ago. 100 families told they have to leave their homes in new jersey near philadelphia. they have to play it safe until the last of the hazard does gas is removed. >> what we'll do we'll pump liquid in that dissolves the vinyl chloride. we'll pump that liquid back out into the highway truck. we have a derailment of hazardous of materials over and in a waterway and a community adjacent to it, right next to it. martha: the rail line is paying for hotel rooms and other expen
to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president plans to deliver remarks and answer questions during a meeting of a business roundtable. critics say the president will call on business leaders to press lawmakers about raising the debt ceiling. while that is happening we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner any moment right now on the hill for the latest on what's happening on fiscal matters. martha? martha: meanwhile, there are new evacuations that have been ordered in a community where a...
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we talked about the fiscal cliff. today we have cliff noran, $154 billion in assets under management. and as joe was saying during the break, we have a little bit of a drinking game. every time we mention fiscal cliff. a lot of viewers are kind of drunk by thousand. >> i'll toast with them. >> are you up in boston? >> springfield, mass. mostly bonds. we specialize in corporate bonds, real estate. >> so what are you doing about the fiscal cliff? >> we think it's actually a good thing because it's addressing something in our country that's gotten out of control. step back the last five years, september 2007, we crossed $9 trillion in debt. thousand we're at $16.2 trillion to $16.3 trillion four years later. five years later. deficits of 1.25 trillion for the last five years. so we have a problem in our country that really needs to be resolved. we've become addicted to stimulus really through deficit spending, through 0% interest rates. >> how are you investing around this? >> we're comfortable investing in corporate bon
we talked about the fiscal cliff. today we have cliff noran, $154 billion in assets under management. and as joe was saying during the break, we have a little bit of a drinking game. every time we mention fiscal cliff. a lot of viewers are kind of drunk by thousand. >> i'll toast with them. >> are you up in boston? >> springfield, mass. mostly bonds. we specialize in corporate bonds, real estate. >> so what are you doing about the fiscal cliff? >> we think it's...
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well explain what they were talking about. >> caller: they were talking about the fiscal cliff crisis and hannity was doing his best to stand on principal and just let them all burn and she was saying, what principal? what kind of principle is it to let 98% of the country have their taxes raised to save 2% of the country their tax increased. >> stephanie: yeah and then she basically said snap out of it sean we lost. >> snap out of it! >> stephanie: that's a big fred flintstone head to slap. >> you need man hands to slap a head that size. >> stephanie: right. she is more man than i will ever be. right, ann coulter. >> i'm more of a man than any liberal is. >> stephanie: thank you. that's my point. >> yeah. >> stephanie: we're going to do a jacki's health care corner but we talked about why raising the medicare eligibility age is a bad idea. and that has been floated out there and is on the table. and i'm like -- we won. as ann coulter just said. why do we need to negotiate with them on their bad ideas? >> that's right. >> stephanie: the american people are with us on all of this. we'll
well explain what they were talking about. >> caller: they were talking about the fiscal cliff crisis and hannity was doing his best to stand on principal and just let them all burn and she was saying, what principal? what kind of principle is it to let 98% of the country have their taxes raised to save 2% of the country their tax increased. >> stephanie: yeah and then she basically said snap out of it sean we lost. >> snap out of it! >> stephanie: that's a big fred...
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a lot to get into this morning as we talk about the fiscal cliff. erskine bowles says he thinks democrats and republicans are serious about getting a deal done, but when you hear congressman cole walking back statements, do you think that's true? >> cole doesn't want to be a political target of the right. so he can easily say i really didn't mean that prks and to ge of the news. and probably trying to set the table for other guys. which is a signal that the right wing is still very stuck in con kreetd as you said earlier. they don't want to move. they are denying election results. but there is real ominous things i think that are starting to surface here. any talk of a mortgage deduction change would be horrendous in my opinion and it would fly in the face of everything barack obama and joe biden ran on in protecting middle class. they have to be crystal clear that that is off the table. the housing crisis started the last recession. if they go after mortgage deductions, if they put that on the table even for high end homes, that will change sales,
a lot to get into this morning as we talk about the fiscal cliff. erskine bowles says he thinks democrats and republicans are serious about getting a deal done, but when you hear congressman cole walking back statements, do you think that's true? >> cole doesn't want to be a political target of the right. so he can easily say i really didn't mean that prks and to ge of the news. and probably trying to set the table for other guys. which is a signal that the right wing is still very stuck...
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. >> what nancy pelosi was talking about wasn't exactly the tax cuts now, fiscal cliff later. both sides have said this has to be a two-step process, there has to be some kind of commitment in downpayment on taxes and entitlement cuts and sets up a framework for broader and comprehensive tax and entitlement reform next year because it is such a big, huge change to how we tax and how we would provide medicare and medicaid and social security, you can't do it all in four books. this new idea that republicans get more leverage if they give the president taxes now and hold out on, and hold the line on the debt ceiling like they did last summer successfully is something that is new and i think a different kind of two-part plan that republicans are starting to consider as maybe a backup plan that gives them the ability to say we lost the 2% tax hikes now, but we're going to fight later on the debt ceiling. >> let me bring in congressman james lang foford, fifth rankin republican in the house, congratulations, good morning. >> thank you, good morning. >> let me ask you about the poss
. >> what nancy pelosi was talking about wasn't exactly the tax cuts now, fiscal cliff later. both sides have said this has to be a two-step process, there has to be some kind of commitment in downpayment on taxes and entitlement cuts and sets up a framework for broader and comprehensive tax and entitlement reform next year because it is such a big, huge change to how we tax and how we would provide medicare and medicaid and social security, you can't do it all in four books. this new...
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cliff gets resolved. in the end, they have got not much. they can say they have a mandate so it's equal, but it really isn't and they know that. >> we seem to know as much about mitt romney's taxes as we do about the loopholes republicans are willing to close in this. they can't offer any specifics. is this a turnoff for the people? >> in fairness we have to recognize that there's been a lack of specifics on both sides here. they are negotiating in public. you notice that that's how this stuff is coming out. it's not phone calls between the two sides or closed-door meetings. we don't know what spending democrats would cut and we haven't even begun the entitlements discussion, which the president is theoretically open to. so there's a lot that still needs to happen. i mean for you and me and normal people, three weeks away may seem like a short time, but there's a feeling that this has barely even begun. >> here's senator bob corker and clairk mccaskill. here it is. >> great detail, very painful cuts to me
cliff gets resolved. in the end, they have got not much. they can say they have a mandate so it's equal, but it really isn't and they know that. >> we seem to know as much about mitt romney's taxes as we do about the loopholes republicans are willing to close in this. they can't offer any specifics. is this a turnoff for the people? >> in fairness we have to recognize that there's been a lack of specifics on both sides here. they are negotiating in public. you notice that that's how...
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. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. what's next? he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these signs and symptoms to your doctor if they occur. tell your doctor about all medical conditions and medications. do not use if you have prostate or breast cancer. serious side effects could include increased risk of prostate cancer; worsening prostat
. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. what's next? he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for...
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would occur after the fiscal cliff deadline. the senate will organize itself at the start of the new year. so boehner's making threats that really have very, very little to do with reality. unfortunately, that seems like a lot of his approaches to this whole fiscal cliff debate. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >>> we are a country of unlimited opportunity. we want the world's best and brightest to come here. >> house republicans pass an immigration bill. xavier becerra calls divisive and inferior. he's here to explain why, next. >>> the nation's first fast food strike is a historic protest for workers rights. the workers are fighting back and we'll tell you what it's all about. >>> and the white house debuts their first beau obama christmas video. but how does it stack up to barney cam? >> you're going to have to learn about the national parks if you want to be a junior park ranger. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for wat
would occur after the fiscal cliff deadline. the senate will organize itself at the start of the new year. so boehner's making threats that really have very, very little to do with reality. unfortunately, that seems like a lot of his approaches to this whole fiscal cliff debate. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >>> we are a country of unlimited opportunity. we want...
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. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ and the next great idea could be yours. customer erin swenson bought so, i'm happy. today. sales go up... i'm happy. it went out today... i'm happy. what if she's not home? (together) she won't be happy. use ups! she can get a text alert, reroute... even reschedule her package. it's ups my choice. are you happy? i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. i'm happy. happy. happy. happ
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. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. suddenly, she does something unexpected and you see the woman you fell in love with. she's everything to you. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, ups
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the role of mcconnell and fiscal cliff talks will put that reputation to the test. john harwood, cnbc, lexington, kentucky. >>> let's get back to our guest host today, former chairman and ceo of honeywell. john laid out what a difficult negotiation this is going to be because both sides have entrenched and said basically we want to do it our way. i continue to not hear this talk of really bipartisanship of working together to try to find a solution. that worries me a lot. >> i think it should. you know, one of the ways it seems to me you go about this is you -- you take it out of the press, mum one. and you get the principals in a room and you -- set a framework. for example, it is pretty obvious we need a substantial change here in terms of the way we run our government expenses. so there's -- there's pretty much approval at $4 trillion is the right number over ten years. you think that would be agreed upon first. then you would put a framework on how much for taxes, no talking about what kind. how much for expenses without talking about what kind. and see if you g
the role of mcconnell and fiscal cliff talks will put that reputation to the test. john harwood, cnbc, lexington, kentucky. >>> let's get back to our guest host today, former chairman and ceo of honeywell. john laid out what a difficult negotiation this is going to be because both sides have entrenched and said basically we want to do it our way. i continue to not hear this talk of really bipartisanship of working together to try to find a solution. that worries me a lot. >> i...
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today we'll forget about the fiscal cliff for a moment and talk about some other deadlines.
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. >>> in washington republicans are split on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. ktvu house smoker john boehner could be facing an uphill battle within his own -- >> reporter: speaker boehner -- certainly talk here that some republicans could revolt if speaker boehner caves to pressure from the white house to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and while he's certainly had not agreed to that some are promising to block it. tea party favorite jim says giving into democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff is a temporary solution he's not willing to support. >> republicans should not be conceding the federal government needs more money. >> reporter: we will be hearing from democrats shortly. minority leader nancy pelosi is holding a news conference. we'll have that for you during our next update. reporting live from washington, d.c. alison burns ktvu channel 2 news. >>> a los angeles area fire house is under fire for letting an exdeny letting an exercise company shoot a racy video inside its station. the video by hoopnautic.com shows a scantily dressed woman
. >>> in washington republicans are split on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. ktvu house smoker john boehner could be facing an uphill battle within his own -- >> reporter: speaker boehner -- certainly talk here that some republicans could revolt if speaker boehner caves to pressure from the white house to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans. and while he's certainly had not agreed to that some are promising to block it. tea party favorite jim says giving into...
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today we'll forget about the fiscal cliff for a moment and talk about some other deadlines approaching that may create a potential regulatory cliff for investors threatening that they may fall off unless they seek the safety of government debt i'm talking about changes in f.d.i.c deposit insurance as just one example and while investors may be perched on what we're calling a regulatory cliff of sorts big banks are able to crawl back from the ledge with the help of timothy geithner's treasury geithner is making some major moves before he has for the door and one which we've seen recently is the final word that foreign exchange swaps from dodd frank derivatives regulation are exempt for context according to bloomberg big banks like u.b.s. and deutsche bank lobbied for this exemption and here is a sense of why foreign exchange contracts were the second largest source of derivatives trading revenue for u.s. bank holding companies in the second quarter the company's recorded three point one billion dollars in revenue on trading of foreign exchange derivatives foreign exchange swaps and forw
today we'll forget about the fiscal cliff for a moment and talk about some other deadlines approaching that may create a potential regulatory cliff for investors threatening that they may fall off unless they seek the safety of government debt i'm talking about changes in f.d.i.c deposit insurance as just one example and while investors may be perched on what we're calling a regulatory cliff of sorts big banks are able to crawl back from the ledge with the help of timothy geithner's treasury...
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cliff. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. >> speaker boehner said the president needs to get serious about what spending cuts he's willing to make. but that was news to senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him, okay? >> he's not alone. all this comes as treasury secretary tim geithner held separate meetings today with boehner, reid, nancy pelosi, and mitch mcconnell, and over at the white house spokesman jay carney said the debt ceiling should not be a pawn in any kind of fiscal gamesmanship. >> asking for a -- that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible. >> now, if you're sensing a distinc
cliff. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. >> speaker boehner said the president needs to get serious about what spending cuts he's willing to make. but that was news to senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is...
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potential impacts they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with those details from washington. >>> lynn, good morning. good morning, everyone. the president spent time with a family who answered a call from the white house. the question was what would you do if you had to pay another $2200 in taxes. that's what the white house says will be the average impact on middle class families if they don't work out avoiding this fiscal cliff. the president sat down with a couple, a teacher, a man who works at an auto dealership. they live with her family. the family says they're looking at a couple month's rent if they have to pay more taxes. the president reiterated he absolutely will not sign any deal that does not increase taxes on the wealthy in this country. he said the problem is solvable. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: now in a
potential impacts they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with those details from washington. >>> lynn, good morning. good morning, everyone. the president spent time with a family who answered a call from the white house. the question was what would you do if you had to pay another $2200 in taxes. that's what the white house says will be the average impact on middle class families if they don't work out avoiding this fiscal...
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we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy. >> stephanie: okay. lenny in wisconsin. your eaten "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hi. how you doing, steph? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i have a few things to say. i hope you don't cut me off. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: i'm a 62-year-old gay man who is on disability and i've got my -- because of scott walker, all of my healthcare removed. all of my food stamps removed. i'm making $700 a month. i have $500 a month in prescriptions which of course, i can't afford. so i had to decide which ones are the best for me to take and i have no
we're talking about the fiscal cliff. he said -- let's see. interest rates he was talking about are lower than they've been in our living memory. in fact, if there was ever a time for america to borrow more to put people back to work, rebuilding our schools and crumbling infrastructure, it is now. robert reich. see, i would listen to the guys that were there then in the clinton administration. we're asking you what you think why? because -- >> they're the ones who tanked the economy....
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part is talk about the fiscal cliff is the talk about the talk about the fiscal cliff. i don't think people are as concerned as the level of chatter that goes around. i think the chatter is more than the concern. the fiscal cliff just happens to be a preset deal on a scale of one to ten. it's a deal that is possible as outcome. i think what the country should hope for is that we come up with a better deal. business wants the rules. i understand why business is very much do a deal. do a something. because a business then can make their plans around that. if a marginal tax rate goes up too high here, they'll put a plant somewhere else. you can make those decisions. they want to know the rules. >> know the rules of the road. >> there's an america out there. there's a country. the rules we put in place have to take into account a lot more than just let's get a deal done, any deal done. i'm very hopeful that we get a principle deal done and what that's good for the growth of america for a long period of time. >> can't have any conversation with you without asking about m&a.
part is talk about the fiscal cliff is the talk about the talk about the fiscal cliff. i don't think people are as concerned as the level of chatter that goes around. i think the chatter is more than the concern. the fiscal cliff just happens to be a preset deal on a scale of one to ten. it's a deal that is possible as outcome. i think what the country should hope for is that we come up with a better deal. business wants the rules. i understand why business is very much do a deal. do a...
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cliff debate so let's bring sheila back in to talk more about these before we get into this i do want to ask what we were talking about when we're going into break and this idea you said there's so much confusion surrounding this barrister and acquisition and why that was even done that wasn't even during the crisis but this idea that j.p. morgan did the fed a favor even though it may not have been good for shareholders what does that say about the relationship between government or regulators and the big banks that the bank would do the fed a favor that maybe wasn't even good for shareholders. this is when i talk about this in the book you know the f.d.i.c deals with troubled banks that we ensure we have for decades we have very strict rules about this we discuss resolution and we don't put government money and we don't keep them up when we run them through a government controlled bankruptcy pretty sickly we go up for competitive bidding there are all sorts of special rules of modern procedures the company by this so it is that transactions always troubled me i've never understood we
cliff debate so let's bring sheila back in to talk more about these before we get into this i do want to ask what we were talking about when we're going into break and this idea you said there's so much confusion surrounding this barrister and acquisition and why that was even done that wasn't even during the crisis but this idea that j.p. morgan did the fed a favor even though it may not have been good for shareholders what does that say about the relationship between government or regulators...